heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D.
Hi Luke
Trisquel forum member tct claimed that EOMA68 is not libre hardware because the schematics (?) are not available. I read your Crowd Supply page a while ago and recall (and another forum member pointed out too) that you plan to release these schematics later. Do you have anything to add or specify or reiterate on this?
Although eoma68 PCB is not libre now ... it will be some time between now and when it ships, right?
I don't mean to dull the mood now that the effort reached 99%. I support your effort and have faith that it's a good faith effort. Sorry if you already responded on the Trisquel forum and I missed it ... there were a lot of posts on this subject.
Adel
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Muhammed Adel Afzal adel@ncf.ca wrote:
Hi Luke
Trisquel forum member tct claimed that EOMA68 is not libre hardware because the schematics (?) are not available.
which is total bollocks. he should have f*****g well asked instead of accusing.
I read your Crowd Supply page a while ago and recall (and another forum member pointed out too) that you plan to release these schematics later.
schematics are *already* available and have been available for years, as anyone who *bothered to check* - as tct clearly did not - that people here on this list have been doing reviews on a regular basis for years, one of which was done ONLY LAST WEEK. it's right here:
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2016-August/011644.html
does that look like a link to PDF schematics? why it most certainly does, doesn't it!
Do you have anything to add or specify or reiterate on this?
other than being really annoyed that people make accusations instead of bothering to ask.... no i don't.
Although eoma68 PCB is not libre now ... it will be some time between now and when it ships, right?
it says on the page, very clearly, that i would like to see the $20,000+ financial investment recouped and the project not be disrupted by 3rd parties taking copies of the hardware and selling them during the campaign.
I don't mean to dull the mood now that the effort reached 99%. I support your effort and have faith that it's a good faith effort.
thanks. you should know that someone who's been working on software libre for 20 years and who has turned down lucrative non-free contracts should be pretty much 100% behind the libre concept!!
Sorry if you already responded on the Trisquel forum and I missed it ... there were a lot of posts on this subject.
i haven't even seen them yet.
l.
Thanks Luke.
I chipped in a few hours ago and I can't wait for April.
Adel
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Muhammed Adel Afzal adel@ncf.ca wrote:
Hi Luke
Trisquel forum member tct claimed that EOMA68 is not libre hardware because the schematics (?) are not available.
which is total bollocks. he should have f*****g well asked instead of accusing.
I read your Crowd Supply page a while ago and recall (and another forum member pointed out too) that you plan to release these schematics later.
schematics are *already* available and have been available for years, as anyone who *bothered to check* - as tct clearly did not - that people here on this list have been doing reviews on a regular basis for years, one of which was done ONLY LAST WEEK. it's right here:
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2016-August/011644.html
does that look like a link to PDF schematics? why it most certainly does, doesn't it!
Do you have anything to add or specify or reiterate on this?
other than being really annoyed that people make accusations instead of bothering to ask.... no i don't.
Although eoma68 PCB is not libre now ... it will be some time between now and when it ships, right?
it says on the page, very clearly, that i would like to see the $20,000+ financial investment recouped and the project not be disrupted by 3rd parties taking copies of the hardware and selling them during the campaign.
I don't mean to dull the mood now that the effort reached 99%. I support your effort and have faith that it's a good faith effort.
thanks. you should know that someone who's been working on software libre for 20 years and who has turned down lucrative non-free contracts should be pretty much 100% behind the libre concept!!
Sorry if you already responded on the Trisquel forum and I missed it ... there were a lot of posts on this subject.
i haven't even seen them yet.
l.
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Muhammed Adel Afzal adel@ncf.ca wrote:
Thanks Luke.
no problem adel
I chipped in a few hours ago and I can't wait for April.
well, keep in touch on here - it's gonna be busy :) we just passed $151k, and still climbing.
l.
Definitely =)
Also ... lol @ Chris Havel
Congrats Luke, Chris W, Chris H, and everyone here
Adel
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Muhammed Adel Afzal adel@ncf.ca wrote:
Thanks Luke.
no problem adel
I chipped in a few hours ago and I can't wait for April.
well, keep in touch on here - it's gonna be busy :) we just passed $151k, and still climbing.
l.
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@ Mr Afzal -- I designed a relatively insignificant portion of the video circuitry. It appears on the Micro-Desktop PCB. I consider it a bit of a kludge -- it's effective, but only by brute force. It's hobbyist grade stuff... then again, I'm a hobbyist, so I suppose it's to be expected...
90% of it was taken straight from Wikipedia's article on the subject; all I did was calculate values for some passives and IIRC provide a way of turning part of it off.
Basically it's a DAC -- digital to analog converter. It converts the TTL-level (0-5v) pulses off the CPU card to the 0-0.7v analog voltages required for the RGB lines on the VGA port. It's the cheap and nasty R-2R resistor ladder kind of DAC. Sure, it's inexpensive, but it'd give any real electronics engineer a cringe and a shudder. Dave Jones (EEVBlog on YouTube) would quite likely pop a gasket if he saw such a job in *anything* professional, and quite honestly I somewhat agree with him. I want to say the ability to switch between 16bit and 24bit color was done with a couple of 74xx logic chips, but I don't remember offhand which ones I used. (Forgive me, it's been a couple years.)
The honest truth is that the triple-fistful of passives in there *should* be replaced by a trio of dedicated flash-DAC chips -- far less crude and far more effective.
I'm proud of the work in an "I contributed to a cool thing" sort of way, but that's really the only way I'm proud of it. It's not something to be proud of in terms of design, that's for sure...
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
The honest truth is that the triple-fistful of passives in there should be replaced by a trio of dedicated flash-DAC chips -- far less crude and far more effective.
.... but about $12 - as much as the rest of the BOM! - compared to around $1
I'm proud of the work in an "I contributed to a cool thing" sort of way, but that's really the only way I'm proud of it. It's not something to be proud of in terms of design, that's for sure...
:)
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
The honest truth is that the triple-fistful of passives in there should
be
replaced by a trio of dedicated flash-DAC chips -- far less crude and far more effective.
.... but about $12 - as much as the rest of the BOM! - compared to around $1
But it's the *professional* way to do it. I'd say it's worth the extra money not to have a bunch of EEs not faint dead away on the sight of it... not to mention all the four-letter words Dave Jones will spout when he gets his mitts on one... ;) trust me, he'll make the air bright blue.
(You *might* do that as a promo, Luke; the man's got quite a following... he's an Aussie, though, so that shipping is gonna hurt...)
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
The honest truth is that the triple-fistful of passives in there should be replaced by a trio of dedicated flash-DAC chips -- far less crude and far more effective.
.... but about $12 - as much as the rest of the BOM! - compared to around $1
But it's the *professional* way to do it. I'd say it's worth the extra money not to have a bunch of EEs not faint dead away on the sight of it... not to mention all the four-letter words Dave Jones will spout when he gets his mitts on one... ;) trust me, he'll make the air bright blue.
lol - well if i can find a LOW COST RGB/TTL-to-VGA converter IC - i remember there was one from Chrontel that i saw used in the gpl-violating CT-PC89e years back - then i'll *consider* it. i'll have to spend at least 2 weeks on doing a redesign plus component sourcing.... it's a lot of extra time.
bear in mind that we set the pledge levels based on component sourcing...
l.
I misunderstood; when Mr. Ross said "congratulations Chris", I thought that he meant Christopher Waid (who is working with Luke I think). I misunderstood your "blush" as a joke, taking Chris Waid's credit. It's awesome that you contributed to the Micro Desktop PCB; that sounds like a significant and valuable contribution to me.
Thank you Chris Havel,
Adel
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Havel" laserhawk64@gmail.com To: "Linux on small ARM machines" arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] libre hardware
@ Mr Afzal -- I designed a relatively insignificant portion of the video circuitry. It appears on the Micro-Desktop PCB. I consider it a bit of a kludge -- it's effective, but only by brute force. It's hobbyist grade stuff... then again, I'm a hobbyist, so I suppose it's to be expected...
90% of it was taken straight from Wikipedia's article on the subject; all I did was calculate values for some passives and IIRC provide a way of turning part of it off.
Basically it's a DAC -- digital to analog converter. It converts the TTL-level (0-5v) pulses off the CPU card to the 0-0.7v analog voltages required for the RGB lines on the VGA port. It's the cheap and nasty R-2R resistor ladder kind of DAC. Sure, it's inexpensive, but it'd give any real electronics engineer a cringe and a shudder. Dave Jones (EEVBlog on YouTube) would quite likely pop a gasket if he saw such a job in anything professional, and quite honestly I somewhat agree with him. I want to say the ability to switch between 16bit and 24bit color was done with a couple of 74xx logic chips, but I don't remember offhand which ones I used. (Forgive me, it's been a couple years.)
The honest truth is that the triple-fistful of passives in there should be replaced by a trio of dedicated flash-DAC chips -- far less crude and far more effective.
I'm proud of the work in an "I contributed to a cool thing" sort of way, but that's really the only way I'm proud of it. It's not something to be proud of in terms of design, that's for sure...
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Thanks...
...but it's still a kludge. You ever watch Star Trek? Remember the Borg? Remember their *tech*...? It's clunky, crude, ugly -- disturbingly so. Sure, it's effective -- amazingly so. But it's *nasty*.
That's how I feel about that work. It's clunky, crude, ugly, and nasty -- but it's brutally functional as well.
I had to look up the word "kludge". It's kind of impressive that you got it working even if it's a kludge. That's a huge hurdle -- even more so without much of a R&D budget.
I used to watch Star Trek when I was 10 years old or so. I liked it but probably didn't fully appreciate it at that age. It has been too long to remember the technology on that show.
Adel
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Havel" laserhawk64@gmail.com To: "Linux on small ARM machines" arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:29:16 PM Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] libre hardware
Thanks...
...but it's still a kludge. You ever watch Star Trek? Remember the Borg? Remember their tech ...? It's clunky, crude, ugly -- disturbingly so. Sure, it's effective -- amazingly so. But it's nasty .
That's how I feel about that work. It's clunky, crude, ugly, and nasty -- but it's brutally functional as well.
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100% now! Yes!
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:47 PM Alexander .S.T. Ross < maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me> wrote:
heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D.
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First time posting on the list, but congrats Luke! I'm amazed at how the campaign picked up in the last week.
I have no knowledge of electronics so unfortunately I can't help as you invited people to in the last update.
Will eagerly await for what's coming next!
Norm.
On 2016-08-25 at 22:15, Louis Pearson wrote:
100% now! Yes!
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:47 PM Alexander .S.T. Ross <maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me mailto:maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me> wrote:
heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D. _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk <mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netbook@files.phcomp.co.uk <mailto:arm-netbook@files.phcomp.co.uk>
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Normand Chamberland gemnoc@gmail.com wrote:
First time posting on the list, but congrats Luke! I'm amazed at how the campaign picked up in the last week.
yeah all of us are.
I have no knowledge of electronics so unfortunately I can't help as you invited people to in the last update.
no problem man
Will eagerly await for what's coming next!
it's all about the journey :)
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:47 PM Alexander .S.T. Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me wrote:
heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D.
yeah. couldn't have got here without everyone who's backed it.
l.
On 2016-08-25 22:50 -0400, Normand Chamberland wrote:
First time posting on the list, but congrats Luke! I'm amazed at how the campaign picked up in the last week.
People and deadlines :-)
But yeah, really good to see. Now people have their work cut out getting stuff built and shipped. Just slightly terrifying :-)
Wookey
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On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Wookey wookey@wookware.org wrote:
On 2016-08-25 22:50 -0400, Normand Chamberland wrote:
First time posting on the list, but congrats Luke! I'm amazed at how the campaign picked up in the last week.
People and deadlines :-)
But yeah, really good to see. Now people have their work cut out getting stuff built and shipped. Just slightly terrifying :-)
tell me about it... :)
Hi,
Congrats Luke for the successful campaign!
(/me stats thinking about touchscreen/LCD emulation or simulation on the NUCLEO)
Le Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:47:05 +0100 "Alexander .S.T. Ross" maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me a écrit:
heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D.
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Amicalement,
Congratiolations Luke and all other, who participated in making this a success.
I nearly lost hope at two steps: During the long wait until the crowdfundig campaign started and when the campaign after a good start came not realy of the ground. But that is history now thank to your great work.
Wolfgang
Am 26.08.2016 um 09:45 schrieb Albert ARIBAUD:
Hi,
Congrats Luke for the successful campaign!
(/me stats thinking about touchscreen/LCD emulation or simulation on the NUCLEO)
Le Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:47:05 +0100 "Alexander .S.T. Ross" maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me a écrit:
heh "we are the 99%" ...for now heh ;) Soon to be "We are the 101%+" :D Congratulations luke! Well done every one :D.
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Amicalement,
Yes, congratulations.
Silly note for whoever is not busy: did you realise that the crowdsupply percent counter rounds percentages before 100% but truncates them from 100% on.
so $74500 of $150000 was expressed as 50% (it's closer to 49.66666%, so rounded to 50%)
but $154220 of $150000 is expressed as 102% (it's closer to 102.81333333%, so trucated to 102% instead of rounded to 103%).
I guess one does not want the 100% to appear before the goal is reached, and maybe that affected the >101% outputs as well
Curious, I don't know if it is intentional or some (absolutely irrelevant) bug. I guess intentional.
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